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Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Îáñóæäåíèå ñòàòüè: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"

Ïðè ñðàâíåíèè Ò-34-76 è Ì4 "Øåðìàí",ïðè îïðåäåë¸ííûõ íåäîñòàòêàõ Ì4,ïðåäïî÷òåíèå ñëåäóåò,óâû,îòäàòü Ì4.Êàê ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò "Òàíêèñò íà "èíîìàðêå" Ä.Ëîçà (Ì.ßóçà,ýêñìî,2005) ó Ì4 áûëî(íå áûëî íà Ò-34-76)ïðåêðàñíàÿ îïòèêà è îáçîð èç òàíêà,ïðåêðàñíàÿ ñâÿçü (2 ð/ñ ÓÊ è ÊÂ),áîåçàïàñ íèêîãäà íå äåòîíèðîâàë,"âÿçêàÿ" áðîíÿ,ïðè êîòîðîé ýêèïàæ èìåë ìíîãî áîëüøå øàíñîâ âûæèòü,òåñíîâàòàÿ,ïðàâäà,áàøíÿ,íî â íåé áûë êîìàíäèð,êîòîðûé êîìàíäîâàë,à íå áûë íàâîä÷èêîì,âûñîêîå êà÷åñòâî òåõíèêè,êîòîðàÿ íå îáñëóæèâàëàñü ïðè ïîìîùè êóâàëäû è êàêîé-òî ìàìû...Íåäîñòàòêè óêàçàíû.Áîëåå âûñîêèé ñèëóýò,áîëåå óçêàÿ êîëåÿ,âñëåäñòâèå - âûñîêèé ÖÒ,"øåðìàíû" èìåëè ñâîéñòâî ëîæèòüñÿ íà áîê.Îáðàùàåò âíèìàíèå óïîð äëÿ îðóäèÿ â ïîõîäíîì ïîëîæåíèè.Ñóùåñòâåííûé ïëþñ!
 
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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Ìíå âñå æå êàæåòñÿ, íå ñòîèò áûòü ñòîëü êàòåãîðè÷íûì. Íà äàííûõ òàíêàõ ìû ñ âàìè íå âîåâàëè, ïîýòîìó ñðàâíåíèå òóò íîñèò ñêîðåå ãèïîòåòè÷åñêèé õàðàêòåð. Äîñòàòî÷íî ïî÷èòàòü "ß ïîìíþ" - ñâîåîáðàçíîå ïðèëîæåíèå ê äàííîìó ñàéòó.  âîñïîìèíàíèÿõ òàíêèñòîâ ìîæíî ïðî÷èòàòü äîñòàòî÷íî èíòåðåñíûå âåùè, ïðî êîòîðûå ÿ, íàïðèìåð, âîîáùå íèãäå íå ÷èòàë. Íàïðèìåð, óæå âîøëî â ìîäó ïðåâîçíîñèòü "Òèãðû" è "Ïàíòåðû" è ðóãàòü ÈÑ-2. Äîñòàòî÷íî ïî÷èòàòü ðàçëè÷íûå ôîðóìû, ïîñâÿùåííûå áðîíåòåõíèêå ÂÎÂ. À ó îäíîãî òàíêèñòà íàïèñàíî, ÷òî íåìöû áîÿëèñü íàøåãî 122-ìì îðóäèÿ, êàê ÷åðò ëàäàíà! ß ïîíèìàþ, ÷òî ýòî ê äåëó íå îòíîñèòñÿ, íî âñå-òàêè...
 
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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"8 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
13739 ïèñàë(à):
Ïðè ñðàâíåíèè Ò-34-76 è Ì4 "Øåðìàí",ïðè îïðåäåë¸ííûõ íåäîñòàòêàõ Ì4,ïðåäïî÷òåíèå ñëåäóåò,óâû,îòäàòü Ì4.Êàê ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò "Òàíêèñò íà "èíîìàðêå" Ä.Ëîçà (Ì.ßóçà,ýêñìî,2005) ó Ì4 áûëî(íå áûëî íà Ò-34-76)ïðåêðàñíàÿ îïòèêà è îáçîð èç òàíêà,ïðåêðàñíàÿ ñâÿçü (2 ð/ñ ÓÊ è ÊÂ),áîåçàïàñ íèêîãäà íå äåòîíèðîâàë,"âÿçêàÿ" áðîíÿ,ïðè êîòîðîé ýêèïàæ èìåë ìíîãî áîëüøå øàíñîâ âûæèòü,òåñíîâàòàÿ,ïðàâäà,áàøíÿ,íî â íåé áûë êîìàíäèð,êîòîðûé êîìàíäîâàë,à íå áûë íàâîä÷èêîì,âûñîêîå êà÷åñòâî òåõíèêè,êîòîðàÿ íå îáñëóæèâàëàñü ïðè ïîìîùè êóâàëäû è êàêîé-òî ìàìû...Íåäîñòàòêè óêàçàíû.Áîëåå âûñîêèé ñèëóýò,áîëåå óçêàÿ êîëåÿ,âñëåäñòâèå - âûñîêèé ÖÒ,"øåðìàíû" èìåëè ñâîéñòâî ëîæèòüñÿ íà áîê.Îáðàùàåò âíèìàíèå óïîð äëÿ îðóäèÿ â ïîõîäíîì ïîëîæåíèè.Ñóùåñòâåííûé ïëþñ!

Âñå ýòî äàâíî åñòü íà íàøåì ñàéòå. ×èòàéòå íàøå ñ Äðàáêèíûì èíòåðâüþ Ä.Ô.Ëîçû (ñäåëàíî ãäå-òî çà ãîä äî åãî ñìåðòè)
 
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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"4 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
À êàê æå áåíçèíîâûå äâèãàòåëè íà Øåðìàíå? Ïðè ïîïàäàíèå ñíàðÿäà â ìàøèíó òàíê ïðîñòî çàãîðàëñÿ. Íåìöû íàçûâàëè åòè òàíêè - àìåðèêàíñêèé êîòåë.
 
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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"4 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Íå áûëî íèêàêèõ áåíçèíîâûõ äâèãàòåëåé.
 
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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"4 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Ñðåäè ïðî÷èõ ñðåäíèõ òàíêîâ ÂÌ Øåðìàí âûäåëÿåòñÿ, ïîæàëóé, íàèáîëåå øèðîêîé ãàììîé óñòàíàâëèâàåìûõ íà íåãî äâèãàòåëåé.  îáùåé ñëîæíîñòè íà òàíê óñòàíàâëèâàëîñü ïÿòü ðàçëè÷íûõ âàðèàíòîâ äâèãàòåëüíîé óñòàíîâêè, ÷òî äàëî øåñòü îñíîâíûõ ìîäèôèêàöèé:

M4 è M4A1 — çâåçäîîáðàçíûé àâèàöèîííûé äâèãàòåëü Continental R975 C1, 350 ë.ñ. ïðè 3500 îá/ìèí.
M4A2 — ñïàðêà øåñòèöèëèíäðîâûõ äèçåëåé GM 6046, 375 ë. ñ. ïðè 2100 îá/ìèí.
M4A3 — ñïåöèàëüíî ðàçðàáîòàííûé áåíçèíîâûé V8 Ford GAA, 500 ë.ñ.
M4A4 — 30-öèëèíäðîâàÿ ñèëîâàÿ óñòàíîâêà Chrysler Multibank À57, ñîñòîÿùàÿ èç ïÿòè àâòîìîáèëüíûõ áåíçèíîâûõ äâèãàòåëåé L6.
M4A6 — äèçåëü Caterpillar RD1820.

 ÑÑÑÐ ïî ïðîãðàììå ëåíä-ëèçà ïîñòàâëÿëèñü M4A2, ïîñêîëüêó îäíèì èç òðåáîâàíèé ê òàíêó â ÑÑÑÐ áûëî íàëè÷èå äèçåëüíîé ñèëîâîé óñòàíîâêè.  àìåðèêàíñêîé àðìèè äèçåëüíûå òàíêè íå èñïîëüçîâàëèñü èñõîäÿ èç ñîîáðàæåíèé ëîãèñòèêè, çàòî èìåëèñü â ìîðñêîé ïåõîòå (èìåâøåé äîñòóï ê äèçåëüíîìó òîïëèâó) è â ó÷åáíûõ ÷àñòÿõ. Òàêæå äèçåëüíûå òàíêè ñîñòàâèëè ïðèìåðíî ïîëîâèíó ïîñòàâëåííûõ Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè, ãäå ïðèìåíÿëàñü è áåíçèíîâàÿ è äèçåëüíàÿ òåõíèêà.

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RE: Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"4 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
Grizly ïèñàë(à):


 ÑÑÑÐ ïî ïðîãðàììå ëåíä-ëèçà ïîñòàâëÿëèñü M4A2, ïîñêîëüêó îäíèì èç òðåáîâàíèé ê òàíêó â ÑÑÑÐ áûëî íàëè÷èå äèçåëüíîé ñèëîâîé óñòàíîâêè.


Èìåííî îá ýòîì ÿ è ãîâîðþ. Íèêàêèõ áåíçèíîâûõ Øåðìàíîâ íå áûëî.
Âñå åùå íå ïîíèìàþ, ñ ÷åì âû íå ñîãëàñíû, ïðàêòè÷åñêè ïîëíîñòüþ ïîâòîðÿÿ îáñóæäàåìóþ ñòàòüþ?

Äèçåëü áûë âñå æ ïîëó÷øå

Âåñüìà ñïîðíîå óòâåðæäåíèå.
 
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Re:Ñðåäíèé òàíê M4 "General Sherman"3 Months, 1 Week ago  
Ïðî÷èòàë ÿ ñòàòüþ Ëàçû. Ìîé äåä òîæå øòóðìîâàë Âåííó è òîæå áðàë áîëüøîé áàíê!!!
Äåä âîåâàë â ïåõîòå, êîìàíäèð 3ãî áàòàëü¸íà, 124 ïîëê, 34 Ãâàðäåéñêàÿ äåâèçèÿ.
Îí êîãäà âûáåæàë èç ýòîãî áàíêà ó íåãî áûëè êàðìàíû çàáèòûå çîëîòîì. Ïîòîì âçðûâ, äåäà êîíòóçèëî, à êîãäà î÷íóëñÿ òî çîëîòà ó íåãî óæå íå áûëî.

Äåä òîæå âîåâàë â Ðóìûíèè è â Âåíãðèè, è ïîä Áîëîòîíîì òîæå íåìöåâ îñòîíàâëèâàë. 34ÿ áûëà âî ñíîâíîì ÷àñòüþ 4îé Ãâàðäåéñêîé Àðìèè. Îíè íàâåðíî â ìåñòå âîåâàëè.
 
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